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Dan Sides's avatar

I’m not sure on assuming that there was no death or decay at creation. I know this is a common assumption based I suppose on the curses God describes upon the Fall, including the “ground”. That’s possible, but I’m not sure it has to be that way, because even before the Fall, does not “a kernel of wheat drops to the ground and dies”?

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Lisa Colón DeLay | SparkMyMuse's avatar

first, I'm wondering if you are conceptualizing Adam as both historical figure and/or representative for this.

And if we think of it for instance as (whether true in history or not) as the story for which we understand how humans fall short of goodness. Is it not so much about the fate of humanity, but instead, what each of us will indeed pick, in the same way, no exceptions?

Wondering also is it true that to love without some variety of subjugation at work, there must be a kind of severing at some point and then following by a rejoining? (I'm spitballing here, because I sense that to fully know LOVE is to also know disconnection)

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Oh, and this!

"Thus, when humanity rebels against God, primordially and continuously, the logoi of creation as a whole remains "dropped" into ontological contingency and thereby drifts into non-being. Creation will remain stuck in this "dropped" condition until humanity, as a whole, says "Yes" to God. All particular logoi must return to the Logos, the many converging back upon the One. In the language of Romans 8, "For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God."

Really interesting picture and association here. thank you! I'm thinking on this deeply. AND Wondering how fully and what it looks like this embrace of "yes!"

I would also imagine (friendly pushback just a tiny bit as we dialogue) that perhaps "mind" is not really enough. Mind is a priori and that works but it stays so conceptional and in that way static. I sense more of a verb [!] when it comes to humans. .. the animation, as it were. the in-spirited-ness, the breathed-into—not the mind, or the mind only. This also makes more sense in this sub-human i.e. "dropped" spot you mention.

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