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Cleve Cunningham's avatar

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and words….it’s understandable why we as Christians seek to find to mingle, to find community among other Christians who believe the same “correct” things…who believe they interpret and understand correctly true theological doctrines of the Bible.

That’s why there are so many 1,000’s of different denominations…and each member of each denomination, believe their denomination is the right one:)

It says a lot to me, for someone (such as yourself) who is able to share and communicate their different views and interpretations and understandings of different theological doctrines, especially of eschatology, but share it in the spirit of love and humility and dignity, knowing full well that God, The Eternal Triune God of Father-Son-Holy Spirit, is truly Ungraspable Mystery, Yet Unspeakably Close…even with God revealing what He has revealed about Himself through His Living Word.

And this brings me to the most important issue at heart for every single one of us, with respect to this mystery…

….which is….

….If we are brothers and sisters in Christ, if our lives are united in this Triune God, then the essence of our being one in God, should be that of a humble selfless compassionate love towards one another…regardless of one’s strong dogmatic beliefs.

If what comes out of us in our sharing with one another of our dogmatic beliefs, is not rooted and grounded in God’s Compassionate Love, bearing witness to the aroma and fragrance of Christ….then there’s a much more important issue at hand…and it’s the condition of our hearts.

When the scribe asks the question of Jesus, in Luke’s account, “What is required to inherit eternal life”, the answer happened to be the same answer as “What is the greatest commandment” discussed in Matthew and Mark’s Gospel accounts, which was simply declared as our “Our Entire Being, being Deeply In Love with God to the point that we become people of Love, evidenced and manifested by how we treat each person we encounter, every single day, with love and dignity….as royal human beings.

Grateful and Thankful.

Blessings Everywhere!❤️🙌🙌❤️

Cercatore's avatar

For those who are dogmatic about ‘Hell’, it’s often not ever mentioned in these debates, where the psychological and theological inspiration and pedigree of such ideas originate. For example, ‘The Apocalypse of Peter’, a pseudepigraphal non-canonical tour-de-force through 'Hell', was widely accepted and evidentially read in the first few centuries of early church. It templated nicely into the sadistically retributive and violently judicial mindset of some believers who couldn’t quite escape or quench their thirst for revenge. This text, along with many others, ultimately never made into the 66+, but yet, still survives in some of the Eastern and Ethiopian Church traditions. It is one of many dark and macabre precursors to ‘Dante’s Vision’, yet paradoxically, there is a beautiful measure of relational Grace that encapsulates its punitive visions in the end. It has been suggested that’s its failure to make the cut, is due to its logical incoherence, which is at odds with the majority of Jesus’s teaching on compassion and forgiveness, especially embodied in his own words from The Cross, but its influence on early Patristic thought and reflection is undeniable. Perhaps the psychological need for the belief in ‘Hell’ comes from the comforting illusion of agency, in an otherwise chaotic world where justice seems farcical and imbalanced at best. Jesus knew this was in the heart of humanity and pushed back against it, both rhetorically and physically. 'Ultimate Reconciliation' eschatologically circumvents the indecorous effects of human nihilism and elevates our status beyond the angelic. It gives us something beautiful to spiritually strive and hope for, and focus on corporately, rather than the being caught in the vortex of hatred and retaliation.

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