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Jack Ditch's avatar

Do you consider the primary purpose of evangelism to be warning about hell? Do you consider the primary deterrent to bad behavior fear of hell?

Because I rather view the primary purpose and deterrent to be God's freely given universal love. Its transformative power is imperative to spread and brings heaven to earth.

Maybe you'll address this later in the series? I'm enjoying so far!

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This post makes several important points for those of us who incline towards universal reconciliation. One of these is the question of immediate versus purgative salvation. My view is that it must be purgative, but that raises another question: if we don't buy the "fire insurance" concept of salvation, what is the difference between the (immediate post-death) fates of Christians (or better, Christ-followers) and others? Do Christians still sin? Yes. Are we forgiven? Yes. But do we still need purging, cleansing? I rather expect so. maybe it's in a different, heavenly environment, but to me it's a puzzle.

Another vital point is the cosmological vision. This saves us from a self-centred view of salvation and thus takes us closer to the spirit of the Gospel. (I think there are also other ways that we can be saved from that self-centred view: essentially anything which brings about a recognition of salvation from sin, and not merely salvation from the consequences of sin - this latter being all too common a presentation - is moving us in that direction.)

Moving slightly away from your post, another question which intrigues me is how recognisable our personalities will be when we are fully reconciled to God. For those people who in this life we regard as "good", it may be not that difficult, but I'd expect some joyous improvements. But for the likes of, say, Hitler or Stalin or [insert name of your locally notorious mass-murderer or paedophile], what will be recognisable about the saved, purified version of them? Quakers have an excellent discipline of "answering that of God in all people" - that maybe gives a clue or a starting point, but it surely remains a mystery.

Two or three years ago I read all the Gospels with the specific purpose of discovering the distinctive aspects of each of them. In Matthew the two main things I found were the emphasis on the Kingdom of God, and on separation, which is a strong thread throughout the gospel. How does this square with a hopeful eschatology? I think it can, and (given other parts of the NT) must, and it does fit with purgative universalism, but we don't find it (or I haven't) in Matthew alone.

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