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Mimi's avatar

I think it’s helpful to highlight the function of social shame as you do. But I wonder if there are two kinds of shame. I’ve witnessed both social shame and individual shame (Brown’s kind). There seems to be some difference between them. I think Brown’s shame is a berating personalized shame where the shamer attacks in a one on one relationship. Social shame, being community oriented, is very different even though I think it can cut equally deep.

Perhaps it’s not a matter of seeing the emotions you mention as negative or as positive, but that all of these emotions can be positive (healthy) but also negative (unhealthy) depending on a lot of factors. Thanks for sharing and for listening.

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Dan Sides's avatar

It seems like a lot of this is semantics. I don’t know what one may wish to call it, but just as Paul postulates in 2 Cor, there is a “godly sorrow” and a “worldly sorrow”. I admit that I have repeated the “there’s a difference between guilt and shame” mantra, as well as the “I did a bad thing” vs “I am a bad person”. Using “guilt” for one and “shame” for the other is just a convenient way to differentiate. But clearly there is a toxic, poisonous “shame” that is linked with this “worldly sorrow that leads to death”. It’s a shame that begins or reinforces the downward spiral of self perception that leads either to a surrender (“I can’t change”) or a self-defeating defensiveness, then “medication” (addictions) of some sort in an effort to recover but almost always just deepens the spiral. Is not this the “shame” that Jesus came to eradicate? Is this not the “slavery to sin” that is defeated at the cross? Looking forward to reading more.

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