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Tim Miller's avatar

Fascinating. Will you do future posts describing exactly how value is an ontological reality, or how you see that? I intuitively think values are real things, and deeply important, yet when I try to think about where value comes from, or whether a particular set of values is the "right" set, I get into a muddle. One part of that muddle is that sincere human beings differ so emphatically on what values are true. Example: Trump and his most dedicated followers embrace and very different set of values from people deeply committed to liberal or progressive values. Yet both groups see their values as the true ones, and some in each of those groups claim their values agree with and even come from God's values.

Another part of the muddle has to do with how God arrives at values. Does God simply know which values are real, with those values existing outside of God, or does God choose which values are true according to God's essential nature? If the latter, say God decided that murder and causing suffering were good ways of implementing values. Would that make it right for us to murder and torment, or would God simply be wrong? I can't see how to get to the bottom of this one (Plato also thought it was a tough question).

A third part of the muddle is, assuming God apprehends true values (whether God knows them or decides them), why has God not made clear what values are true to all of us? The different faith traditions differ on what the right values are to greater or lesser extents (though they also agree on a lot of them). And within religions, there's similar disagreement. Even within the Bible there is a lack of consistency (hence both Trump supporters and progressives can appeal to the Bible). Why hasn't God given us a clear and consistent message on this? In fact, why is God so silent in general? Some people feel God's presence at least occasionally (I do rarely but every once in a while) while others never do (my sisters, for example, who are open to the idea of God's existence but never feel an inkling of God's presence). That is one of the issues I try to deal with in my forthcoming book which is being published on May 1 (The Silence of the Lamb: Exploring the Hiddenness of God and Christ).

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Leonard Vander Zee's avatar

I’ve been thinking about Jesus’ confrontation with Pilate in the gospel of John. At its climax Jesus declares “I came into the world to testify to the truth,” to which Pilate famously replies, “What is truth.” Truth is a key word in John’s gospel, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” It does not mean simply, the opposite of falsehood. It means something like reality. Jesus is reality, the Logos is ultimate reality. This fits beautifully with Pirsig’s quest.

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