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Melinda Meshad's avatar

Not sure you can just believe something..well, that you just don't believe in order to keep within the christian circle. I cannot go back...and I don't think that "the hell with that." is the only route. I believe one can keep the awe and understand that we don't really know about the great unknown reality that is beyond us. Maybe the ontology is believing there is something greater, the creator, the one that will be known in our afterlife...is enough. The role of this being, this holy spirit will be understood at that time....and we keep living with morality and ethics.. .and the way of the red letters until then. We can embrace faith, knowing and experiencing so little.

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Cercatore's avatar

The profound influence of Karl Rahner’s ideas on Eucharistic Theology in the 20th century should not be so easily dismissed as being heterodox. Over the years he received a lot of pushback from hard core ‘Transubstantionists’ who were locked into a view of an ontological presence of Christ within the elements during communion. His theological discourse seems to point towards a more flexible and evolved view of ‘Substance Theory’ where ‘Transignification’ and or ‘Transfinalization’ are of paramount importance coming more from an informed Enlightenment / Scientific perspective. He seems to emphasize that the Resurrected Christ is already continuously present within ‘Creation’, therefore the chemical change of the elements for Believers who partake in the Eucharist, has a more of a metaphysical / redemptive significance, through the ‘Corporate Consecration of the Act Itself’, rather than the ingestion of a actual cloaked spiritual flesh & plasma celebration - One may be tasting bread and wine as a believer, but metaphysically you’re not. For me, rather than going down the rabbit hole of the theological debate on the actual nature of the Host, it seems logically coherent to assume that it is both ‘Transsubstantial’ and ‘Transignificant’ simultaneously - i.e ontologically real and symbolically efficacious. The real question is whether one’s faith, prior to entering the mystery, affects or determines its redemptive value (?) Any theory or system of belief on this topic should not be separated from Jesus’s teaching found in the ‘Bread of Life Discourse’ in John 6 where he does not mince his words and lays out the mystery -

“Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.”

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