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David Saff's avatar

I think it gets tricky to evaluate success and failure of a movement. By definition, a movement is a choice of a group of people to, well, move. And unless one's destination is capable of infinite approach, at some point, motion will by definition need to stop. Did the Western expansion of the United States "fail" because people didn't drive their Conestoga wagons into the sea?

In my professional discipline of software development, there was a period of ascendency called the "Agile movement". Many people who were involved consider it to have failed. The conferences it spawned have largely died down. The books written are generally not must-reads in the 2020s. The term Agile itself has been so co-opted by panacea-selling consultants that most people consider it a bad sign if it shows up on a planning slide. And yet, when I tell my coworkers, many of whom are now younger than the first Agile blog posts, what software development was like before Agile, they don't believe me. The wackier ideas of the movement have taken up refuge in the fringes. But the ideas that held real solutions to real problems have become so embedded in "how we do things" that there's no longer a need for a special label, or special teachers to show us how it's done.

In the Pietist Option, there's a great turn of phrase: "Pietism has disappeared not because it failed, but because it succeeded."

It may still be possible that the correct answer is that the emerging church failed, that it wasn't a new pietism. But I think so far this series undercounts the number of people who found community and calibration around the books and blogs of some of these people, both online and in person. This allowed us a third option; when both our church and the world told us our only options were an angry Christ obsessed with power or hedonist dissolution, finding journey companions made it just a little safer to dare to think that one could keep following Jesus while leaving James Dobson behind.

Most of those people, I suspect, have not left their current churches to found successful new ones. For one thing, churches need money, and money tends to like the status quo. But to say "if the movement succeeded, it would have looked like this" shuts down the curiosity to ask "what good things happened, and which opportunities were missed?"

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Dan Baker's avatar

Instrumental for me was the writing of Michael Spencer, the so-called "Internet Monk," who died in 2010. His work described a "post-evangelical" outlook. Your writing has also been a more stable place than Rollins (I read Insurrection a few times, but I couldn't follow his eventual trajectory). Specifically your work with the circumplex model of faith and your writing on George Macdonald. You wrote something once that has stuck with me for years about how post-everything christians need to be courageous enough to say something substantive. That has been a kind of "north star" for my ideological development.

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