I'm wondering what this understanding does to the unique historical context of Jesus' death in hands of Roman empire? And, how are we to understand Jesus' triumph over the Satan and the powers on the cross at that particular moment in time in the cosmos?
I wonder if some of these questions aren’t related to time - God having created time, He’s outside of it in a way we can’t really understand, being tethered in it. So somehow we see this as one thing happened at the Beginning, and another thing happened at the Cross, but to triune God perhaps they aren’t at different moments but somehow eternal? No answers, just musings.
Wouldn't this Story be the most bizarre one ever told if it was made up by human minds?
But as something true in history and told in bits and pieces over thousands of years by inspired writers from every walk of life and preserved for our reading and consideration in billions of miraculous ways . . . what GLORY! Praise the LORD!
Regarding "The moral rupture was anticipated and had already been bridged", in light of 1 Peter 1: 20, could it be said as well, or instead, that, 'The moral rupture was planned [from eternity] . . . ?
I am trying to understand that if Jesus was predestined to be/become the atoning sacrifice for sin from eternity ("before the foundation of the world") - then was sin, the fall, also predestined, planned, or had to occur as well?
Consequently, with respect to the first 2 reasons for making the atonement visible within history, even while realising we are lost without God saving us, could the creature still say or think "my despair and sinfulness was planned to be as it is before my existence"?
I am not negating God and Jesus' sacrifice for sin, as logically (for me, anyway), even if we were created perfect, sinless, even unable to sin, as it were, as created beings we could not give ourselves eternal life (on the God plane) and existence.
I am not doing despite to Jesus' sacrifice. I am just trying to understand how God is working to make or form a 'new creation' from His original creative act in the creation of Adam and Eve.
Whatever the case, we will always need God, and be thankful to God for His grace and mercy in creating us (and everything that exists) in the first place, and allowing us (all) to eventually share life, love, joy and happiness with Him in His Kingdom for eternity.
Thank you for reading and considering the comment I have written.
If it is example, what then becomes of history? Or where is the place of purpose? Or for that matter, justice which necessarily is enacted in time. Does time/contingency have a definition, and if so what does it mean to look toward that?
And what then, is the nature of hope in this day, this time, this place?
Some thoughts with a Haiku response:
ecstatic longings
searching for understanding
in mystical world
seeing good and bad
knowing the real truths of both
merging the yes/and
I'm wondering what this understanding does to the unique historical context of Jesus' death in hands of Roman empire? And, how are we to understand Jesus' triumph over the Satan and the powers on the cross at that particular moment in time in the cosmos?
I wonder if some of these questions aren’t related to time - God having created time, He’s outside of it in a way we can’t really understand, being tethered in it. So somehow we see this as one thing happened at the Beginning, and another thing happened at the Cross, but to triune God perhaps they aren’t at different moments but somehow eternal? No answers, just musings.
Wouldn't this Story be the most bizarre one ever told if it was made up by human minds?
But as something true in history and told in bits and pieces over thousands of years by inspired writers from every walk of life and preserved for our reading and consideration in billions of miraculous ways . . . what GLORY! Praise the LORD!
Peter Grach
Dr Beck,
Regarding "The moral rupture was anticipated and had already been bridged", in light of 1 Peter 1: 20, could it be said as well, or instead, that, 'The moral rupture was planned [from eternity] . . . ?
I am trying to understand that if Jesus was predestined to be/become the atoning sacrifice for sin from eternity ("before the foundation of the world") - then was sin, the fall, also predestined, planned, or had to occur as well?
Consequently, with respect to the first 2 reasons for making the atonement visible within history, even while realising we are lost without God saving us, could the creature still say or think "my despair and sinfulness was planned to be as it is before my existence"?
I am not negating God and Jesus' sacrifice for sin, as logically (for me, anyway), even if we were created perfect, sinless, even unable to sin, as it were, as created beings we could not give ourselves eternal life (on the God plane) and existence.
I am not doing despite to Jesus' sacrifice. I am just trying to understand how God is working to make or form a 'new creation' from His original creative act in the creation of Adam and Eve.
Whatever the case, we will always need God, and be thankful to God for His grace and mercy in creating us (and everything that exists) in the first place, and allowing us (all) to eventually share life, love, joy and happiness with Him in His Kingdom for eternity.
Thank you for reading and considering the comment I have written.
Yours faithfully,
Kind regards,
Peter Grach
Yet.
If it is example, what then becomes of history? Or where is the place of purpose? Or for that matter, justice which necessarily is enacted in time. Does time/contingency have a definition, and if so what does it mean to look toward that?
And what then, is the nature of hope in this day, this time, this place?