I find it interesting that the Catholic view tends to make the primary telos of nuptial union most basically natural, as it seems apparent that the unitive aspect, being figurative of the gospel, ought to take primacy of consideration over the natural end rather than being subject to it. Maybe the gospel focus is just an outgrowth of sola scriptura emphasis in distinction to Catholicism's "matter matters" emphasis in this case. I look forward to seeing you continue to work over the chestnut at hand.
This is good Richard - and of course, these texts have been colored by patriarchy. We're eager to reduce the male burden in agriculture but "conservatives" demand that the female curse of being ruled by man and suffering through pregnancy and childbirth be reinforced in religious and secular law. Pregnancy is still often life-threatening even today in technologically advanced societies and yet right-wing Christians demand that wives always submit to their husband's sexual advances, not use birth control, and not be allowed abortion even when their lives are in danger. God's kingdom is a place where the patriarchy has no place and we can't make sense of Christian sexual ethics without confronting it head on.
IMHO first of all we should stop reducing eros only to sexuality ( that are romans vulgar way how to see it) . It is responsible of creation (as mentioned in Hesiods “Theogony”) but creation is broader concept. And Plato puts it well in his dialogues.
I find it interesting that the Catholic view tends to make the primary telos of nuptial union most basically natural, as it seems apparent that the unitive aspect, being figurative of the gospel, ought to take primacy of consideration over the natural end rather than being subject to it. Maybe the gospel focus is just an outgrowth of sola scriptura emphasis in distinction to Catholicism's "matter matters" emphasis in this case. I look forward to seeing you continue to work over the chestnut at hand.
This is good Richard - and of course, these texts have been colored by patriarchy. We're eager to reduce the male burden in agriculture but "conservatives" demand that the female curse of being ruled by man and suffering through pregnancy and childbirth be reinforced in religious and secular law. Pregnancy is still often life-threatening even today in technologically advanced societies and yet right-wing Christians demand that wives always submit to their husband's sexual advances, not use birth control, and not be allowed abortion even when their lives are in danger. God's kingdom is a place where the patriarchy has no place and we can't make sense of Christian sexual ethics without confronting it head on.
IMHO first of all we should stop reducing eros only to sexuality ( that are romans vulgar way how to see it) . It is responsible of creation (as mentioned in Hesiods “Theogony”) but creation is broader concept. And Plato puts it well in his dialogues.