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Jonny Hughes's avatar

I struggle to see how participation can lead to bridging the gap, if I still don't believe in the ontological elements of something like icons, I can participate comfortably while personally acknowledging the artistic and symbolic meaning, but this doesn't seem to follow that this will lead me to truly believing in said ontological assertion behind the Orthodox view. And frankly I'm not sure yet that it matters, if they're right then absolutely it matters to bridge that gap and embrace the ontological truth, but if the Protestant perspective is correct, ontologically that is, that there is not some spiritual window to heaven there, only symbolic, then wouldn't it be wrong to try to convince yourself in some ontological belief.

Maybe my argument is simply I'm not convinced embracing EVERY ontological connection possible is wise, if some are inaccurate. This might be the case for some mainline 'believers' who find meaning in Jesus but don't believe in the ontological truth of his resurrection. But my belief is the primary distinction here is potentially just what may eventually be revealed to be ontologically correct someday. I do believe Jesus did that, but I don't believe icons are spiritual portals saints look through. Should I? Why?

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Melinda Meshad's avatar

Belief that something takes us to this magical world does change our experience. I saw this recently when I was down in the Amazon and spent time with people that have grown up in the small tribes in the jungle. Noises in the night are spirits, the jungle is made up of life from the beyond.... and I saw how it did enrich their lives. They are part of this greater, mysterious and magical place. Seeing the benefit, can I jump in? People often go down there to engage in the Ayahuasca ceremonies and this can take one there... certainly for a time. Is the icon any different than the belief in other pagan practices that lead to the heavens and the gods? Hm... Richard, you say that you have crossed into that mindset... and while I do believe in God and have faith that there is so much more, can we turn what we see, like an icon, into a more magical window to the heavens? As I see how amazing life is - creation, how animals find their way to their mate, find the one place they were born... how trees know to feed their sick neighbor.. or how our brains can match the brain of another, allowing for great empathy and attachment... all these things that also seem magical.... well, maybe that is a door.

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